Comments on: On Rothfork’s Review of Dreyfus’s On the Internet. (619) http://briandigital.com/evolve/2008/on-rothfork observing and encouraging evolution in technology and design for education Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:08:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jason Dom http://briandigital.com/evolve/2008/on-rothfork/comment-page-1#comment-101 Jason Dom Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:28:18 +0000 http://briandigital.com/evolve/?p=20#comment-101 yup yup yup. I felt the same way about the Dreyfus article and reluctantly finished reading it. Good find on the extra research. To answer you last question, I say no, there isn't enough time to create community. I feel so strongly about this I've propped up some software to foster a community at my online U (30k students and 1k faculty) that exists outside of classroom - but can be accessed from every classroom and our respective portals. The problem creating communities in classrooms is that we are bound to the BB dbs which aren't that good, our comments are only socialized within our class, everything is throw away, and just when we are getting to know each other, like you mention, the class is over. On the other hand if UMass had a community forum at the program or institutional level then we'd have our entire student career to foster community. For example I'd love to read Linda Bleith's (sp) thoughts on some topics in this 619 class - but I can't access her. During my undergrad I could socialize my thoughts with my professors at the local pub, in the Ram's Dens, the library, etc... That is what I am creating at my U. It is to early to tell what the impact will be. yup yup yup. I felt the same way about the Dreyfus article and reluctantly finished reading it. Good find on the extra research. To answer you last question, I say no, there isn’t enough time to create community. I feel so strongly about this I’ve propped up some software to foster a community at my online U (30k students and 1k faculty) that exists outside of classroom – but can be accessed from every classroom and our respective portals. The problem creating communities in classrooms is that we are bound to the BB dbs which aren’t that good, our comments are only socialized within our class, everything is throw away, and just when we are getting to know each other, like you mention, the class is over. On the other hand if UMass had a community forum at the program or institutional level then we’d have our entire student career to foster community. For example I’d love to read Linda Bleith’s (sp) thoughts on some topics in this 619 class – but I can’t access her. During my undergrad I could socialize my thoughts with my professors at the local pub, in the Ram’s Dens, the library, etc… That is what I am creating at my U. It is to early to tell what the impact will be.

]]> By: Robin Gabrielli http://briandigital.com/evolve/2008/on-rothfork/comment-page-1#comment-94 Robin Gabrielli Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:46:28 +0000 http://briandigital.com/evolve/?p=20#comment-94 Love it. :-) It's always good to consider the viewpoint of a naysayer like Dreyfus. There are certainly enough people out there who assume that more technology is always better. But Dreyfus seems to simply be at the opposite extreme, which is equally silly. I think your question is a great one. In this course, obviously, we already *have* a community to some extent. Many of us know each other through previous courses, although there are a lot of long-distance learners. But the creation of class blogs alone, I think, is a really effective way to get us writing and communicating. For one thing, I can write as much as I want on my own blog and not worry about being seen as a spammer. Blogs also have a personal touch that makes it fun to look around and see what other people have done. I like yours *very* much, by the way. Very clean and a pleasure to read. Whereas I, a lamer, used one of the blogspot templates. Maybe what we're building, for the purposes of this course, is not so much a "community" as a "network of individuals with a common purpose". (Is there a difference?) Love it. :-)

It’s always good to consider the viewpoint of a naysayer like Dreyfus. There are certainly enough people out there who assume that more technology is always better. But Dreyfus seems to simply be at the opposite extreme, which is equally silly.

I think your question is a great one. In this course, obviously, we already *have* a community to some extent. Many of us know each other through previous courses, although there are a lot of long-distance learners. But the creation of class blogs alone, I think, is a really effective way to get us writing and communicating. For one thing, I can write as much as I want on my own blog and not worry about being seen as a spammer. Blogs also have a personal touch that makes it fun to look around and see what other people have done. I like yours *very* much, by the way. Very clean and a pleasure to read.

Whereas I, a lamer, used one of the blogspot templates.

Maybe what we’re building, for the purposes of this course, is not so much a “community” as a “network of individuals with a common purpose”. (Is there a difference?)

]]> By: Bob Bavis http://briandigital.com/evolve/2008/on-rothfork/comment-page-1#comment-93 Bob Bavis Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:13:18 +0000 http://briandigital.com/evolve/?p=20#comment-93 Hi Brian, It seems we may be on more or less opposite sides with regard to views on Rothfork/Dreyfus. I do however think the question you pose at the end of your post is a key question to ask/discuss. I look foward to your comments on my blog and discussion board posts. Bob Hi Brian,
It seems we may be on more or less opposite sides with regard to views on Rothfork/Dreyfus. I do however think the question you pose at the end of your post is a key question to ask/discuss. I look foward to your comments on my blog and discussion board posts.
Bob

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